People judging the Vice Presidential Debate on demeanor and talking points
miss the point. While if taken in isolation, VP Dick Cheney held his own but
only by flatly denying Sen. John Edwards' charges - denying known facts and
reality - while lashing out with lies about Edwards and his running mate John
Kerry with increasingly testy whoppers. Early in the debate, Edwards set the
tone:
"Mr. Vice President, you are still not being straight with the American
people. I mean, the reality you and George Bush continue to tell people, first,
that things are going well in Iraq -- the American people don't need us to
explain this to them, they see it on their television every single day. We lost
more troops in September than we lost in August; lost more in August than we
lost in July; lost more in July than we lost in June." Nothing Cheney said or
did bridged this huge and growing credibility gap.
The Lawyer threw down the challenge, and Dick Cheney - the Liar - lost no
time proving that Sen. Edwards was correct: The gap between Cheney/Bush rhetoric
and reality is enormous, growing, and getting more dangerous every day. Cheney's
misstatements and lies about subjects large and small accumulated at a rapid
pace belied by Cheney's languid, almost lifeless speaking style. Cheney
recklessly lied when he claimed he'd never met Edwards before that evening.
That's not a big deal, except that it demonstrates the arrogance and/or
delusional mind-set afflicting Cheney.
Actually, confirmation of Cheney's dishonest proclivities came even before
Edwards had a chance to speak. Moderator Gwen Ifill's first question mentioned
an intelligence report that Cheney ordered showing no link between Saddam
Hussein and al Qaeda, that "Paul Bremer, the former head of the Coalition
Provisional Authority, gave a speech in which he said that we have never had
enough troops on the ground," and Donald Rumsfeld said he has not seen any hard
evidence of a link between al Qaeda and Saddam Hussein."
She asked Cheney about "new developments in Iraq, especially having to do
with the administration's handling" and "Was this approved - of a report that
you requested that you received a week ago that showed there was no connection
between Abu Musab al-Zarqawi and Saddam Hussein?"
In reply Cheney evaded and lied. Cheney somehow managed to lie twice on this
one specific point. He lied denying that former and current Bush/Cheney
officials contradict unrealistically optimistic - if not delusional -
Administration propaganda. He also lied when he denied he'd ever linked Iraq to
the al Qaeda terror attacks. But first Cheney hemmed and hawed:
"It's important to look at all of our developments in Iraq within the broader
context of the global war on terror. And, after 9/11, it became clear that we
had to do several things to have a successful strategy to win the global war on
terror, specifically that we had to go after the terrorists where ever we might
find them, that we also had to go after state sponsors of terror, those who
might provide sanctuary or safe harbor for terror."
Edwards seized on this in answer to the third question, pointing out that
Cheney lobbied to release state sponsors of terror from sanctions, and as CEO of
Halliburton Cheney actually helped terrorist states including Iran, Libya and
Iraq - all in violation of US policy and/or law. As Edwards put it: "The vice
president just said that we should focus on state sponsors of terrorism. Iran
has moved forward with its nuclear weapons program. They're more dangerous today
than they were four years ago."
As Edwards explained, "This vice president has been an advocate for over a
decade for lifting sanctions against Iran, the largest state sponsor of
terrorism on the planet. It's a mistake. We should not only not lift them, we
should strengthen those sanctions." Then Edwards proved that Bush/Cheney
national security policy makes Americans less safe because "North Korea has
moved forward with their nuclear weapons program, gone from one to two nuclear
weapons to six to eight nuclear weapons."
Edwards effectively showed Bush and Cheney utterly failed with regard to what
Cheney said is "The biggest threat we faced today" by making it more likely that
terrorists could attack us by "smuggling a nuclear weapon or a biological agent
into one of our own cities and threatening the lives of hundreds of thousands of
Americans."
Cheney insisted, "What we did in Iraq was exactly the right thing to do. If I
had it to recommend all over again, I would recommend exactly the same course of
action." Cheney further emphasized he learned nothing from his failed policies.
Even knowing the catastrophe he caused, he would not have deployed enough troops
to prevent hundreds of US deaths and 1000s of casualties. He would not have
changed anything at all because he claims all of the Bush/Cheney Iraq policies
were perfect: "we did exactly the right thing."
Edwards schooled Cheney in military and foreign policy reality: "[I]t's not
just me that sees the mess in Iraq. There are Republican leaders, like John
McCain, like Richard Lugar, like Chuck Hagel, who have said Iraq is a mess and
it's getting worse. And when they were asked why, Richard Lugar said because of
the incompetence of the administration. What Paul Bremer said yesterday is they
didn't have enough troops to secure the country. They also didn't have a plan to
win the peace. They also didn't put the alliances together to make this
successful."
The Senator did what Cheney would not or could not do. He looked the American
People in the eye, and told us the truth: "We need a fresh start. We need a
president who will speed up the training of the Iraqis, get more staff in for
doing that. We need to speed up the reconstruction so the Iraqis see some
tangible benefit. We need a new president who has the credibility, which John
Kerry has, to bring others into this effort." As expected, although still
disappointing to anyone who wants to see our troops home safely, Cheney stayed
steeped in deep denial claiming, "We've made significant progress in Iraq."
In apparent confusion, Cheney flip-flopped from one sentence to the next,
first claiming "We've stood up a new government that's been in power now only 90
days" but almost immediately contradicting himself by admitting, "but the point
of success in Iraq will be reached when we have turned governance over to the
Iraqi people." Which is it? Cheney also grossly exaggerated at best when he
bragged; "We also are actively, rapidly training Iraqis to take on the security
responsibility. Those two steps are ... well in hand, well under way." No
impartial observer agrees with that glowing assessment, and as Edwards showed
even some top Republicans concede this is simply not the case.
Edwards also zeroed in on one of Cheney's biggest and most persistent lies:
"Mr. Vice President, there is no connection between the attacks of September
11th and Saddam Hussein. The 9/11 Commission has said it. Your own secretary of
state has said it. And you've gone around the country suggesting that there is
some connection. There is not. And in fact the CIA is now about to report that
the connection between al Qaeda and Saddam Hussein is tenuous at best. And, in
fact, the secretary of defense said yesterday that he knows of no hard evidence
of the connection. We need to be straight with the American people."
Edwards is correct. After all these lies the American People and our allies
and enemies alike cannot take Cheney or Bush at their word. The Senator remained
polite, even though he could have added George W. Bush to the long list of
Administration Officials who reluctantly concede Saddam Hussein did not attack
us on 9/11/01. Polls show that 2 out of 3 Republicans just don't understand this
fact. Either Dick Cheney is among the confused or else he is trying to deceive
voters on this critically important point.
Moderator Ifill tried to balance the debate, echoing Bush/Cheney talking
points: "You and Senator Kerry have said that the war in Iraq is the wrong war
at the wrong time. Does that mean that if you had been president and vice
president that Saddam Hussein would still be in power?" This question contains a
false premise known as the excluded middle. It assumes that the only way to
remove or disarm Saddam necessarily involved lying to the American People and
the world, alienating our allies, squandering hundreds of $billions while
getting 1000s of American Troops killed or injured by madly rushing into war
without adequate plans or preparation. Edwards was clearly ready for this
question:
"Here's what it means: It means that Saddam Hussein needed to be confronted.
John Kerry and I have consistently said that. That's why we voted for the
resolution. But it also means it needed to be done the right way. And doing it
the right way meant that we were prepared; that we gave the weapons inspectors
time to find out what we now know, that in fact there were no weapons of mass
destruction; that we didn't take our eye off the ball, which are al Qaeda, Osama
bin Laden, the people who attacked us on September the 11th." This exposed the
fundamental Bush/Cheney failure to eliminate or even contain the most deadly
threat facing America. Bush has reluctantly moved on to admit that al Qaeda
attacked us. Saddam did not. Astonishingly, Cheney continues to lie about
this!
Edwards hammered away at this flaw, this fissure between reality and Cheney's
lies: "Now, remember, we went into Afghanistan, which, by the way, was the right
thing to do. That was the right decision. And our military performed
terrifically there. But we had Osama bin Laden cornered at Tora Bora. We had the
10th Mountain Division up in Uzbekistan available. We had the finest military in
the world on the ground. And what did we do? We turned -- this is the man who
masterminded the greatest mass murder and terrorist attack in American history.
And what did the administration decide to do? They gave the responsibility of
capturing and/or killing Saddam -- I mean Osama bin Laden to Afghan warlords
who, just a few weeks before, had been working with Osama bin Laden." This was
Edwards' worst flub, but the message still came through: at the moment of truth,
Bush/Cheney trusted the wrong people and failed. And Cheney still lies about
it.
To make this even more clear, Edwards relentlessly cast Cheney and Bush as
failures: "Our point in this is not complicated: We were attacked by al Qaeda
and Osama bin Laden. We went into Afghanistan and very quickly the
administration made a decision to divert attention from that and instead began
to plan for the invasion of Iraq. And these connections -- I want the American
people to hear this very clearly. Listen carefully to what the vice president is
saying. Because there is no connection between Saddam Hussein and the attacks of
September 11th -- period. The 9/11 Commission has said that's true. Colin Powell
has said it's true. But the vice president keeps suggesting that there is. There
is not. And, in fact, any connection with al Qaeda is tenuous at best."
Ifill gave Cheney 90 seconds to respond, and true to his nature he lied by
implying his opponent was wrong: "The senator has got his facts wrong. I have
not suggested there's a connection between Iraq and 9/11, but there's clearly an
established Iraqi track record with terror." Immediately after the debate, some
news shows ran tape of Cheney on Meet the Press saying there was such a
connection - one of several times he made that utterly discredited claim. Why
would Cheney blatantly lie to the American People this way?
Why would he do so, knowing that Edwards opened by putting doubts about
Cheney's credibility front and center in this debate? This indicates that either
Cheney is so "sure of himself" he doesn't think he has to tell the truth, or he
cannot tell the difference between lies and facts. Once well-down the path of
lying, Cheney - like many liars - could not find any way out. So he plunged
ahead embroidering and elaborating on his lies:
"And the point is that that's the place where you're most likely to see the
terrorists come together with weapons of mass destruction, the deadly
technologies that Saddam Hussein had developed and used over the years." This
although Bush/Cheney weapons expert David Kay admitted Cheney's view is
unfounded.
Under oath, Kay testified: "Let me begin by saying, we were almost all wrong
[about Iraqi Weapons of Mass Destruction], and I certainly include myself here
[and] It turns out that we were all wrong, probably in my judgment, and that is
most disturbing." Kay denied disturbing, widely reported accounts that Dick
Cheney took an active role coercing and forcing officials to tailor their
"intelligence" to support Cheney's view that Iraq was an imminent threat, but
incredibly blamed "the [Bush/Cheney] failure on April 9 to establish immediately
physical security in Iraq - the unparalleled looting and destruction" for hiding
evidence of Iraq's WMD program. Kay said, "It had been the regime's. The regime
is gone. I'm going to go take the gold toilet fixtures and everything else
imaginable." See Transcript: David Kay at Senate hearing, January 28, 2004: http://www.cnn.com/2004/US/01/28/kay.transcript/
No one is perfect, and people do make mistakes in good faith. David Kay can
admit he was wrong and the Administration he still loyally supports failed. Why
can't Cheney admit these evident facts? Instead, after empowering terrorist
states Libya and Iran, and doing business with Saddam Hussein, Cheney attacked
his rivals dishonestly:
"Now, the fact of the matter is, the big difference here, Gwen, is they are
not prepared to deal with states that sponsor terror. They've got a very limited
view about how to use U.S. military forces to defend America.... It's a
consistent pattern over time of always being on the wrong side of defense
issues. A little tough talk in the midst of a campaign or as part of a
presidential debate cannot obscure a record of 30 years of being on the wrong
side of defense issues." Later Cheney reprised his hypocrisy, "Your rhetoric,
Senator, would be a lot more credible if there was a record to back it up. There
isn't. And you cannot use 'talk tough' during the course of a 90-minute debate
in a presidential campaign to obscure a 30-year record in the United States
Senate and, prior to that by John Kerry, who has consistently come down on the
wrong side of all the major defense issues that he's faced as a public
official."
Once more, Sen. Edwards caught Cheney misleading Americans. "I want to go
back to what the vice president just said, because it's a continuation of the
things he's been doing, unfortunately, on the campaign trail; it's a
continuation of what he began his first answer with tonight. John Kerry has
voted for the biggest military appropriations bill in the country's history.
John Kerry has voted for the biggest intelligence appropriations in the
country's history. This vice president, when he was secretary of defense, cut
over 80 weapons systems, including the very ones he's criticizing John Kerry for
voting against. These are weapons systems, a big chunk of which, the vice
president himself suggested we get rid of after the Cold War."
Edwards pounded away at Cheney's delusions and explained the facts behind
Bush / Cheney sound bites: "The reality is that John Kerry has consistently
supported the very men that he served with in Vietnam and led. On the $87
billion, it was clear at the time of that vote that they had no plan to win the
peace. We're seeing the consequences of that every day on the ground right now.
We stood up and said: For our troops, we must have a plan to win the peace. We
also thought it was wrong to have a $20 billion fund out of which $7.5 billion
was going to go to a no-bid contract for Halliburton, the vice president's
former company. It was wrong then. It's wrong now."
In denial of his record, Cheney projected his own failures onto John Kerry by
saying, "specifically that I don't believe he has the qualities we need in a
commander in chief because I don't think, based on his record, that he would
pursue the kind of aggressive policies that need to be pursued if we're going to
defeat these terrorists. We need to battle them overseas so we don't have to
battle them here at home. [H]is judgment's flawed, and the record's there for
anybody who wants to look at it. In 1984, when he ran for the Senate he opposed,
or called for the elimination of a great many major weapons systems that were
crucial to winning the Cold War and are important today to our overall
forces.... The problem we have is that, if you look at his record, he doesn't
display the qualities of somebody who has conviction."
As Edwards explained, "John Kerry has been absolutely clear and consistent
from the beginning that we must stay focused on the people who attacked us; that
Saddam Hussein was a threat that needed to be addressed directly; that the
weapons inspectors needed to have time to do their job. Had they had time to do
their job, they would have discovered what we now know, that in fact Saddam
Hussein had no weapons, that in fact Saddam Hussein has no connection with 9/11,
that in fact Saddam Hussein has little or no connection with al Qaeda."
He added, "What we know is that the president and the vice president have not
done the work to build the coalition that we need -- dramatically different than
the first Gulf War. We know that they haven't done it, and we know they can't do
it. They didn't, by the way, just reject the allies going into lead- up to the
war. They also rejected them in the effort to do the reconstruction in Iraq, and
that has consequences. What we believe is, as part of our entire plan for Iraq
-- and we have a plan for Iraq. They have a plan for Iraq too: more of the same.
We have a plan for success. And that plan includes speeding up the training of
the military. We have less than half of the staff that we need there to complete
that training."
Given 30 seconds to respond, the best Cheney could offer was, "Well, Gwen, I
think the record speaks for itself." Unfortunately for Cheney, it does. The
record shows as Secretary of Defense Dick Cheney demanded Congress slash weapons
programs. Now, he tries to blame Sen. Kerry for trusting Cheney's sworn
statements to the Senate under oath. This confirms that Cheney either lied under
oath when he said America didn't need several weapons programs - and thereby
undermined our national security - or else Cheney is one of the most audacious
hypocrites in American history. Either way, Cheney shows astonishing dishonesty
and /or delusion rendering him unfit to make national security policy - or any
policy.
Cheney also showed that said about Kerry and Edwards is true of Cheney and
Bush, but not applicable to their opponents: "And they give absolutely no
indication, based on that record, of being wiling to go forward and aggressively
pursue the war on terror with a kind of strategy that will work, that will
defeat our enemies and will guarantee that the United States doesn't again get
attacked by the likes of al Qaeda." After all, Bush and Cheney "out-sourced" the
hunt for bin Laden and other terrorists to unreliable enemy warlords in
Afghanistan. Bush promised to bring back bin Laden "dead or alive" over three
years ago and failed.
Confronted with this evidence of utter failure - of will as well as ability,
Cheney did what liars do. He lied and tried to blame other people. "Gwen, we've
never let up on Osama bin Laden from day one. We've actively and aggressively
pursued him. We've captured or killed thousands of al Qaeda in various places
around the world and especially in Afghanistan. We'll continue to very
aggressively pursue him, and I'm confident eventually we'll get him. The key to
success in Afghanistan has been, again, to go in and go after the terrorists,
which we've done, and also take down the Taliban regime which allowed them to
function there, in effect sponsors, if you will, of the al Qaeda organization."
Most Americans know that almost all of this bragging is exaggerated if not
completely made up. Not satisfied with just lying, Cheney also tried to blame
Edwards for his own Administration's failure: "John Edwards, two and a half
years ago, six months after we went into Afghanistan announced that it was
chaotic, the situation was deteriorating, the warlords were about to take over
[b]ut they're making significant progress. We have President Karzai, who is in
power." In fact, Edwards was correct. The situation is still chaotic in
Afghanistan. Interim President Karzai is barely more than mayor of Kabul. The
Taliban and the warlords are reasserting their vicious power.
Cheney offered excuses and empty promises as if they were facts: "The fact
is, as we go forward in Afghanistan, we will pursue Osama bin Laden and the
terrorists as long as necessary. We're standing up Afghan security forces so
they can take on responsibility for their own security." Why the long delay
between bin Laden's mass murder of 3000 Americans and sustained efforts to bring
him to justice? Why would Cheney advocate a reckless rush to attack Iraq while
al Qaeda plots to kill more Americans?
All this exposed Cheney's preposterous claims as lies, "We've made enormous
progress in Afghanistan, in exactly the right direction, in spite of what John
Edwards said two and a half years ago. He just got it wrong." No, Edwards got it
correct. Cheney lied again. As the Senator explained, "Someone did get it wrong.
But it wasn't John Kerry and John Edwards. They got it wrong. When we had Osama
bin Laden cornered, they left the job to the Afghan warlords. They then diverted
their attention from the very people who attacked us, who were at the center of
the war on terror, and so Osama bin Laden is still at large." Cheney cannot deny
any of that, so he attacked Kerry with made up lies and intentionally
misconstrued comments.
Edwards corrected the record: "I want to go back to something the vice
president said just a minute ago, because these distortions are continuing. He
said that -- made mention of this global test. What John Kerry said -- and it's
just as clear as day to anybody who was listening -- he said: We will find
terrorists where they are and kill them before they ever do harm to the American
people, first. We will keep this country safe. He defended this country as a
young man, he will defend this country as president of the United States. He
also said very clearly that he will never give any country veto power over the
security of the United States of America. Now, I know the vice president would
like to pretend that wasn't said, and the president would too. But the reality
is it was said."
In case anyone still accepted Cheney's delusional assessments, Edwards
explained, "Here's what's actually happened in Afghanistan, regardless of this
rosy scenario that they paint on Afghanistan, just like they do with Iraq.
What's actually happened is they're now providing 75 percent of the world's
opium. Not only are they providing 75 percent of the world's opium, large-cut
parts of the country are under the control of drug lords and warlords. Big parts
of the country are still insecure. And the reality is the part of Afghanistan,
eastern Afghanistan, where Osama bin Laden is, is one of the hardest places to
control and the most insecure, Gwen."
Cheney, unable to rebut these facts confirming his failure, suffered a
flashback: "Twenty years ago we had a similar situation in El Salvador" and
flatly stated that proved the failed policies he advocates "will apply in
Afghanistan, and it will apply as well in Iraq." If Cheney weren't such a
pathological liar, if he weren't so dishonest and delusional, we might be able
to rely on his honesty and credibility. Cheney squandered that respect by lying
to the American People over and over and over about matters great and small.
By contrast, Sen. Edwards and Sen. Kerry will tell the truth and do what's
best to keep America safe. Edwards quoted Kerry, "We will never give anyone a
veto over the security of the United States of America" and pledged a return to
"the proud tradition of the United States of America and presidents of the
United States of America for the last 50 to 75 years. First, we're going to
actually tell the American people the truth. We're going to tell them the truth
about what's happening. We're not going to suggest to them that things are going
well in Iraq or anyplace else when, in fact, they're not. We're going to make
sure that the American people know the truth about why we are using force and
what the explanation for it is. And it's not just the American people. We're
also going to make sure that we tell the world the truth. Because the reality
is, for America to lead, for America to do what it's done for 50 years before
this president and vice president came into office, it is critical that we be
credible."
Bush and Cheney fail because they don't understand what Edwards and Kerry
know: "It is critical that they believe that when America takes action, they can
trust what we're doing, what we say, what we say at the United Nations, what we
say in direct conversations with leaders of the world -- of other countries.
They need to know that the credibility of the United States is always good,
because they will not follow us without that. And unfortunately, we're seeing
the consequences of that right now. It's one of the reasons that we're having so
much difficulty getting others involved in the effort in Iraq."
Cheney and Bush don't even seem to understand that you cannot lead by
misleading, that America - or any nation - cannot prosper by building and hiding
behind walls of lies and delusion. As Edwards explained - and Cheney lied by
denying - American has "taken 90 percent of the coalition causalities. American
taxpayers have borne 90 percent of the costs of the effort in Iraq. And we see
the result of there not being a coalition: The first Gulf war cost America $5
billion. We're at $200 billion and counting. John Kerry will never give up
control over the security of the United States of America to any other country.
We will not outsource our responsibility to keep this country safe."
Cheney lied again claiming, "Well, Gwen, the 90 percent figure is just dead
wrong. When you include the Iraqi security forces that have suffered casualties,
as well as the allies, they've taken almost 50 percent of the casualties in
operations in Iraq, which leaves the U.S. with 50 percent, not 90 percent. With
respect to the cost, it wasn't $200 billion. You probably weren't there to vote
for that. But $120 billion is, in fact, what has been allocated to Iraq. The
rest of it's for Afghanistan and the global war on terror." But Cheney knows or
should know his Administration keeps moving funds and forces ear-marked for
Afghanistan into Iraq, and demanded more than $75 billion for Iraq on top of
that.
Cheney's lies, delusions and deceptions go on and on, but the point is clear.
Bush and Cheney failed to keep us safe. Cheney - who complained that Edwards
missed a few votes - was entrusted to lead the Anti-Terrorism Task Force, but
never bothered to convene a single meeting. Even after 9/11, Bush and Cheney
lost sight of the real enemy - Osama and al Qaeda - in their mad rush to attack
Iraq. Still, Cheney hypocritically accused John Kerry of lacking "the conviction
to successfully carry through on the war on terror." Bush and Cheney already
proved they can't do the job, they lack the skills, the will, and the conviction
to protect America from ruthless killers most people call terrorists, but which
Cheney calls his business partners.
Edwards responded, closing this case: "What the vice president has just said
is just a complete distortion. The American people saw John Kerry on Thursday
night. They don't need the vice president or the president to tell them what
they saw. They saw a man who was strong, who had conviction, who is resolute,
who made it very clear that he will do everything that has to be done to find
terrorists, to keep the American people safe. He laid out his plan for success
in Iraq, made it clear that we were committed to success in Iraq. We have to be,
because we have troops on the ground there and because they have created a haven
for terrorists." Cheney had no answer to this, just as Bush and Cheney have no
answers for Americans on the economy, jobs, health care, education and more.
Most importantly, Cheney could not defend his failure to defend America, so he
tried to lie about Kerry and Edwards. America can and must do better than
this.
For above quotes, see Vice Presidential Debate transcript:
http://www.cnn.com/2004/ALLPOLITICS/10/05/debate.transcript/index.html
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